Comments on: Whose culture is it? https://batterseaartscentreblog.com/2016/11/20/whose-culture-is-it/ The latest news from our team, artists & projects. Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:38:16 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jonathan barnes https://batterseaartscentreblog.com/2016/11/20/whose-culture-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-400 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 15:46:52 +0000 http://batterseaartscentreblog.com/?p=2294#comment-400 In reply to batterseaartscentre.

Brilliant brilliant – agree with every word

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By: batterseaartscentre https://batterseaartscentreblog.com/2016/11/20/whose-culture-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-398 Fri, 02 Dec 2016 11:30:01 +0000 http://batterseaartscentreblog.com/?p=2294#comment-398 In reply to Richard Kingdom.

Thanks for responses. Sorry for slow response…

@Bridget – I think Fun Palaces is one of the greatest and most inspiring examples of this kind of work.

@Zoe – Creative Shops sounds brilliant, will look it up, thanks for sharing.

@Stephen – I replied on twitter, I agree it’s not about colonising – more about sharing ways that different people are doing this stuff.

@Richard – not trying to reject great art – just questioning who gets to say it’s great – and who gets to say it’s art. But totally agree that lots of places without formal (funded) infrastructure actually have some of the most dynamic, and exciting stuff going on and any thing that flattens or devalues that is a bad thing!

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By: Richard Kingdom https://batterseaartscentreblog.com/2016/11/20/whose-culture-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-396 Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:34:32 +0000 http://batterseaartscentreblog.com/?p=2294#comment-396 Thanks David, you make a powerful case.

The Agency is an inspiring model and I totally agree with your proposals for collaborating with schools. I also think that you’re right about how we can better exploit our expertise for developing ideas, and the vision of a society infused with creativity is surely something that we can all get behind.

But I don’t think this is incompatible with the idea of creating ‘great art’ in the way that your blog seems to reject. An encounter with ‘great art’ is a profound thing. Part of the ‘greatness’ is contained in its encounter with audiences but it doesn’t need to have been created ‘with’ that audience to achieve the kind of transcendent democracy of a shared experience. And yet that experience can have the power to stir someone’s dormant creativity. To draw a crude analogy, the athletic elitism on display at the Olympics inspires millions of people to be more active and at least partly for this reason, it seems to be generally accepted as useful for some organisations to focus on Team GB’s medal count. Ie ‘great sport’. Obviously sport and art hold different values within our society and there is much to be done to address that – and you describe some of the possible strategies – but abandoning a pursuit of ‘greatness’ feels retrograde. Perhaps what you’re arguing for in fact is a radical broadening of ‘greatness’ rather than a complete redefinition?

With that idea in mind, our narrow view of what constitutes cultural engagement can often lead us to overlook the creativity that does in fact exists in areas of ‘low engagement’. I think you actually touch on this, alluding to distinctions between amateur and professional for instance. But then your proposal to use areas with no cultural infrastructure as ideal testing grounds for new approaches, risks missing – or maybe sidelining – what is in fact going on already; from local carnivals and fairs, to customising cars, book clubs to karaoke. Stephen makes pretty much this point above I think. But I think this is a sensitivity to bear in mind rather than a reason for not doing anything.

I don’t want to come across as critical of what you’re proposing here because I love the thrust of it and where you’re coming from – but I think we need to be careful not to disavow artistic excellence as we currently understand it.

I look forward to seeing where this revived direction leads!

Richard

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By: stephenpritchard72 https://batterseaartscentreblog.com/2016/11/20/whose-culture-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-392 Wed, 23 Nov 2016 06:35:10 +0000 http://batterseaartscentreblog.com/?p=2294#comment-392 Hi David…

Interesting post.

Quick responses to your three questions:

1. Perhaps it is not the role of existing cultural organisations to attempt “to develop the creative potential of everyone in our communities”? Perhaps that’s actually part of the problem? Perhaps it’s elitist and paternalistic?

2. Why attempt to colonise places with “less cultural infrastructure”? The notion that the intervention/expansion of cultural organisations into such places “will make fabulous places to pursue the ideas I have described” seems exploitative? If these places have a “less dysfunctional cultural infrastructure in place”, why threaten to change it with an imported culture you claim might (unless it changes) be harmful?

3. The organisations you mention may not be as important to the kind of changes you imagine as you assume they are. Perhaps they are reproducing slightly altered versions of the existing local, national and even international cultural (and political) status quo?

Keep fighting the fight!

Best,

Stephen

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By: Zoe Seaton https://batterseaartscentreblog.com/2016/11/20/whose-culture-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-391 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:05:00 +0000 http://batterseaartscentreblog.com/?p=2294#comment-391 Thank you David, this is brilliant. It makes so much sense of the way we are learning to work with communities in N.I, initially through our Creative Shops Project which has totally democratised our arts engagement in terms of who makes it and who it is for. It is a journey we are on which celebrates creativity and connection. Artists can sometimes be protectionist and fearful but by properly valuing creativity their role actually becomes more important, not less. By only engaging with theatre goers and groups who qualified for funding we were missing most of the population. It is helpful, especially here in NI, to find new ways to bring people together, new opportunities for people to discover what they have in common, rather than what sets them apart. It is certainly challenging, but as a company it is leading us to make bolder better work than ever before.

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By: Bridget Floyer https://batterseaartscentreblog.com/2016/11/20/whose-culture-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-390 Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:20:29 +0000 http://batterseaartscentreblog.com/?p=2294#comment-390 Well expressed. What I am trying to start to do as a producer – but inspired a lot by Fun Palaces, who are doing exactly this, working nationally. I’m interested in how this shapes our making.

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